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		<title>2011 Mid-Year UPDATE</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ramona Forum has been busy in a sustainable way with current and continuing issues, upholding our principles, without being pretentious, but being part of the community — Ramona Fair, Ramona Rodeo Parade, Medicare and Social Security, voice against Foreclosure Policies, participating in Gay Pride Parade, Peace Garden and second Wednesday Special Event nights, and writing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><STRONG>Ramona Forum has been busy in a sustainable way with current and continuing issues, upholding our principles, without being pretentious, but being part of the community — <EM>Ramona Fair, Ramona Rodeo Parade, Medicare and Social Security, voice against Foreclosure Policies, participating in Gay Pride Parade, Peace Garden and second Wednesday Special Event nights, and writing in public forums for public awareness .</EM> </STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>Forum members have been&nbsp; active in writing <SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"><U><STRONG>Guest Commentaries and Letters to the Editor</STRONG></U></SPAN>, especially in Ramona Sentinel and in Ramona Patch, on various issues.&nbsp; If you missed reading them, some of the essays are available under Postings: Members&#8217; essays.</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>The latest is our booth on the opening day at the <SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"><U><STRONG>Ramona Fair</STRONG></U></SPAN> on August 28.&nbsp; The Budget-Pig was first displayed in Ramona</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG><A href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Opening-Day-at-Fair-2011.jpg" mce_href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Opening-Day-at-Fair-2011.jpg"><IMG class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-946" title="Opening Day at Fair 2011" alt="" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Opening-Day-at-Fair-2011-300x225.jpg" width=300 height=225 mce_src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Opening-Day-at-Fair-2011-300x225.jpg"></A></STRONG></P><br />
<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" mce_style="text-align: center;"><A href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Fair-pig-2.jpg" mce_href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Fair-pig-2.jpg"><IMG class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-981" title="Fair pig 2" alt="" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Fair-pig-2.jpg" mce_src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Fair-pig-2.jpg"></A><STRONG> </STRONG></P><br />
<P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" mce_style="text-align: center;"><STRONG>Here is the pig and its creator, Sam!</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>Rodeo Parade.&nbsp; It was recognized by many on lookers at the Fair,&nbsp; Others took a great interest.&nbsp; It could become the most photographed object at the Fair!</STRONG></P><br />
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<P><STRONG>In order to build public awareness towards the impending danger of Americans losing their safety net in <SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"><U><STRONG>Social Security and Medicare</STRONG></U></SPAN> benefits, Ramona Forum members have been demonstrating at 10th and Main on Sundays at 12 noon to 1 PM for the last two months and will continue to do so until both chambers of the Congress stop some of their members&#8217; ill-conceived moves.&nbsp; The Americans pay for Social Security and Medicare benefits.&nbsp; It is not a charity.&nbsp; Congress should leave the Trust fund alone, and not tamper with the funds.&nbsp; Rather they should consider stop paying these benefits to wealthy Americans, who do not need the benefits — the so-called &#8220;means testing&#8221; formula.</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>On May 21, Ramona Forum participated in<SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"> <U><STRONG>Ramona Rodeo Parade</STRONG> </U></SPAN>with our almost legendary (!) Budget-Pig—or, is it Pig-Budget!—that is now displayed in front of our booth at the Fair.</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG><A href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/P1050116.jpg" mce_href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/P1050116.jpg"><IMG class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-964" title=P1050116 alt="" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/P1050116.jpg" mce_src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/P1050116.jpg"></A></STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>It was of interest to many, with applause too.Special thanks to Sam Hasz, the tractor driver, for his creativity, artistic talent and hard work.&nbsp; Also to Rene and Alice Buelna for working to finalize the float, and Tetsuo Matsui for having our back!&nbsp; Although they could not ride, dutta and his granddaughter, Erika (and their dog!) were there for a big send off!</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F99-UUSYdE" target=_new mce_href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F99-UUSYdE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F99-UUSYdE</A></STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>For a great report click to this <A href="http://ramona.patch.com/articles/ramona-parade-was-awesome-photo-gallery?upload_started=1306036384#video-6186818" mce_href="http://ramona.patch.com/articles/ramona-parade-was-awesome-photo-gallery?upload_started=1306036384#video-6186818">link too</A>. ( http://ramona.patch.com/articles/ramona-parade-was-awesome-photo-gallery?upload_started=1306036384#video-6186818)</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>Since our last report (please see the report below), Ramona Forum members continued demonstrating in front of Bank of America and Chase against their <SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"><U><STRONG>Foreclosure Policies</STRONG></U></SPAN>.&nbsp; It resonated with many Ramonans, including those that were directly&nbsp; affected by foreclosures initiated by these two institutions. </STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>Two Forum members, Dave and Tetsuo, participated in this years <SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"><U>Gay Pride Parade</U></SPAN> in July.&nbsp; What Dave wrote afterwards is a matter of pride for all of us: </STRONG>Last weekend I marched in the San Diego Pride Parade with my colleagues in Veterans For Peace (VFP).&nbsp; Marching in the Pride parade is an exhilarating experience because we were surrounded by over 50,000 very joyous people.&nbsp; At the end of the parade VFP setup a booth and nearby were a group of Christians with signs and a bullhorn declaring the 50,000 people participating as sinners set for damnation.&nbsp; The Christians were peddling fear, anger and hatred.&nbsp; In contrast, and what was catching my eye over and over were same sex couples walking hand in hand almost exclusively with faces brim with joyousness.&nbsp; Every time I would see a happy couple I would look back and see the Christians peddling anger.&nbsp; When I saw a couple obviously in love, I would look back at the Christians and see hate.&nbsp; When I saw the couples smile easily at others and themselves, I would look at the Christians and see fear.&nbsp; Love vs. hate, happiness vs. anger, acceptance vs. fear, what a contrast being relived over and over all day long.&nbsp; In the end, the Christians gave up and left one by one, like the vipers rolling off the Ark, to sew their hateful version of Christianity somewhere else.&nbsp; I was relived to see them go, and reveled more in the love and happiness that was everywhere.&nbsp; If you get a chance to go to the Pride event next year, don&#8217;t miss it because you&#8217;ll come home a happier person.&nbsp; That is if you stay away from those mean people that call themselves Christians.</P><br />
<P>Dave Patterson<BR>Ramona, Ca</P><br />
<P><STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"><U><STRONG>Peace Garden</STRONG></U></SPAN> also went through an overhauling — better protection from animals eating <EM>all </EM>our vegetables, box-planting instead of ground planting with the enclosure and increase in varieties, complete with Nancy&#8217;s accents with flowers!&nbsp; As always, Dave, our fearless leader was in the lead.&nbsp; The plantings outside the enclosure did not fare well.&nbsp; We experienced shortage of members, who were able to work in the garden — two of our gardening enthusiasts&#8217; work hours have changed; two are going through cancer treatment; couple of others are nursing health problems;&nbsp; and some are busy with illness of family members or other family commitments and chores.&nbsp; It was not lack of enthusiasm rather the unavoidable circumstances of this year.&nbsp; Please contact us, if you would like to be involved with the Peace Garden.&nbsp; By the way, we are not totally successful to stop the animals to eat our vegetables!&nbsp; (Editor&#8217;s comment:&nbsp; I was not really hopeful!)</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>Our monthly (almost regularly!) <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"><U>Peace Garden gatherings</U></SPAN> </STRONG>are well attended.&nbsp; It is lot of fun — good friends, good food topped by Armida&#8217;s classic espresso coffee from authentic Italian espresso maker, good conversation, camaraderie, and some work in the garden too!</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>We are still meeting on<SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;"> <U><STRONG>first and second Wednesdays</STRONG></U> </SPAN>of the month at the Library at 6 PM.&nbsp; As most of the readers know that <STRONG><U><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600" mce_style="color: #ff6600;">Second Wednesday is our Special Event Night</SPAN> </U>— </STRONG>March 9 we had a presentation by Prof. George Mantor on <EM><STRONG>Foreclosure Crisis</STRONG></EM> to a well attended gathering; April13 we showed the documentary <EM><STRONG>&#8220;Inside Job&#8221;</STRONG></EM>, an eye-opening look at our economy;May 11 two representatives from Veterans for Peace narrated their experience of a <EM>VFP sponsored </EM><STRONG><EM>Gaza</EM> <EM>Trip</EM></STRONG>; June 8 we showed the documentary <EM>&#8220;The End of Poverty&#8221;</EM> that explored the cause of the problem with interviews from social thinkers, including Nobel-laureates and probable remedies; and July 12 we showed the film <EM>&#8220;<STRONG>A Day Without A Mexican</STRONG>&#8220;</EM>.</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG><A href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/George-Mantor.jpg" mce_href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/George-Mantor.jpg"><IMG class="alignleft size-full wp-image-966" title="George Mantor" alt="" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/George-Mantor.jpg" width=320 height=240 mce_src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/George-Mantor.jpg"></A>George Mentor speaking.</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG><A href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/attendees.jpg" mce_href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/attendees.jpg"><IMG class="alignright size-full wp-image-965" title=attendees alt="Attendees to George Mantor presentation" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/attendees.jpg" width=320 height=240 mce_src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/attendees.jpg"></A></STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>A section of the attendees</STRONG></P><br />
<P><STRONG>Join us on Second Wednesdays of month at the Library.&nbsp; Send your name and address to be included in our e-mail list. </STRONG></p>
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		<title>February 2011: updates &#8211; recent first</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We were nineteen standing on Main Street of the small town of Ramona for America&#8217;s homeowners—demonstrating against foreclosures. This time we were in front of Bank of America. We will be back on the street again, in front of other banks as Forum President Dave Patterson outlined in his essay. (vide infra) [more pictures at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>We were nineteen standing on Main Street of the small town of Ramona for America&#8217;s homeowners—demonstrating against foreclosures.  This time we were in front of Bank of America.  We will be back on the street again, in front of other banks as Forum President Dave Patterson outlined in his essay.<strong> (<em>vide infra</em>) <code>[more pictures at the end of the essay]</code></strong></strong><code><strong></strong></code><strong><strong> <a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Group.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-928" title="Group" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Group-300x246.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="246" /></a></strong></strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Doreen.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-929" title="Doreen" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Doreen-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Rene-and-Reynaldo-2.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-932" title="Rene and Reynaldo 2" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Rene-and-Reynaldo-2.jpg" alt="" width="216" height="162" /></a></p>
<p><strong><strong><strong>Here is the latest from Dave Patterson on Home Foreclosures sent to Ramona Sentinel:</strong></strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>In October 2007 Ramona lost more than 500 homes to the Witch Creek fire, a devastating blow to our economy and the vitality of our community.  Since 2007 approximately 360 families in Ramona have lost their homes to foreclosure with a similar negative effect, and there are currently 140 more foreclosures initiated.  These numbers do not include short-sold homes.  Projections for 2011 are worse than 2010 with the potential for another 5 million homes foreclosed nationwide in the next few years.  With Ramona suffering at what may be the highest foreclosure rate in the county, we find ourselves at the tip of the iceberg.  So we ask the question; at what point will the Ramona community reach the breaking point with the onslaught of home foreclosures?  Are 500, 600 or 1,000 foreclosures enough to make our town look like a movie set for the Grapes of Wrath?</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Many of us at the Ramona Forum believe that we cannot sit by and watch our community crumble as good hard-working families are sent to the street.  For years we have been desensitizing ourselves to the high rate of foreclosures in Ramona with derogatory views of those foreclosed on.  “They deserved it, they were reckless, or they weren’t savvy enough to protect themselves.”  What we are seeing now is the loss of homes for families that worked hard all their lives and played by the rules.  In response, the Ramona Forum will confront the high rate of home foreclosures in our town because it’s time to stop the hemorrhaging. </strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Here are some examples of how unjustified many foreclosures are.  The banks may allow a short sale at the current reduced value of the home, or will foreclose and resell at the reduced value, and may not negotiate with the homeowner to keep them in the home on a new mortgage at the reduced value.  This is unjustifiable in our view because there are a number of ways that the bank can profit from a re-negotiation of the loan, including equity sharing.  In equity sharing the homeowner is given a new mortgage at the lower value, but when the homeowner sells, the bank and homeowner share any accrued equity.  In such a case the homeowner stays in the home, and the bank makes a profit.  Negotiations like this are what we seek for Ramonans that wish to stay in their homes.  We do not need any more of our good residents made homeless when alternatives are available through honest negotiation.  Therefore we are asking the banks to step up to the shared responsibility in our community, and stop foreclosing in Ramona. </strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>To accomplish this goal the Ramona Forum will begin staging demonstrations in front of the Bank of America.  Bank of America is the largest and oldest bank in town and we want them to set a new standard for all our banks.  We want the Bank of America to publicly announce a commitment to stop foreclosures on homes in Ramona and negotiate first.  And we want them to follow through on that commitment.</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>We hope that the citizens of Ramona will join us on the sidewalk in a peaceful and non-violent manner.  We will film testimonials of people foreclosed on recently or currently in foreclosure.  We will offer a petition for bank customers, demanding that the bank make negotiation the priority in the foreclosure process.  When the Bank of America announces their plan to make keeping homeowners in their homes the #1 priority in Ramona, we will move the demonstrations to Chase, Wells Fargo and so on.  “Stop foreclosures in Ramona, Negotiate first” is our demand.  Demonstrations will be every Friday from 4 to 6PM in front of the Bank of America. The first demonstration is on Friday February 11.  If you are in foreclosure or know someone who is, please join us and help to make the demonstrations a success. Contact us at 760-207-9139.  It’s time for all of Ramona to join hands to help save our town! </strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Dave Patterson</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>President, The Ramona Forum</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>760-207-9139</strong></strong></p>
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<p><strong><strong>As Spring approaches we are working on new season of Peace Garden.</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>We are standing up for homeowners fighting to keep their homes being foreclosed.  Here is part of the News Release from Ramona Forum President.</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>On 2/4/11 4:49 PM, Dave Patterson wrote:</strong></strong></p>
<blockquote cite="mid:960274.79512.qm@web63504.mail.re1.yahoo.com"><p><strong><strong><strong> </strong>In             October 2007 Ramona             lost more than 500 homes to the Witch Creek fire, a             devastating blow to our             economy and the vitality of our community.  Since 2007             approximately 360             families in Ramona have lost their homes to foreclosure with             a similar negative             effect, and there are currently 140 more foreclosures             initiated.  These             numbers do not include short-sold homes.              Projections for 2011 are worse than 2010 with the             potential for another             5 million homes foreclosed nationwide in the next few years.  With Ramona suffering at what may be             the             highest foreclosure rate in the county, we find ourselves at             the tip of the             iceberg.  So we ask the question; at             what point will the Ramona community reach the breaking             point with the onslaught             of home foreclosures?  Are 500, 600 or 1,000 foreclosures             enough to make             our town look like a movie set for the Grapes of Wrath?<span id="more-920"></span></strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Many of us at the Ramona             Forum believe that we cannot sit by and watch our community             crumble as good             hard-working families are sent to the street.              For years we have been desensitizing ourselves to the             high rate of             foreclosures in Ramona with derogatory views of those             foreclosed on.              “They deserved it, they were reckless, or they weren’t savvy             enough to protect             themselves.”  What we are seeing now             is             the loss of homes for families that worked hard all their             lives and played by             the rules.  In response, the Ramona             Forum will confront the high rate of home foreclosures in             our town because it’s             time to stop the hemorrhaging.</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Here are some examples             of how unjustified many foreclosures are.  The banks may             allow a short sale at the             current reduced               value of the home, or will foreclose and resell at             the reduced value,             and may not negotiate with the homeowner to keep them in the             home on a new             mortgage at the reduced value.  This is unjustifiable in our             view because             there are a number of ways that the bank can profit from a             re-negotiation of             the loan, including equity sharing.  In equity sharing the             homeowner is             given a new mortgage at the lower value, but when the             homeowner sells, the bank             and homeowner share any accrued equity.  In such a case the             homeowner             stays in the home, and the bank makes a profit.              Negotiations like this             are what we seek for Ramonans that wish to stay in their             homes.  We do not need any more of             our good             residents made homeless when alternatives are available             through honest             negotiation.  Therefore we are asking the banks to step up             to the shared             responsibility in our community, and stop foreclosing in             Ramona.</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>To             accomplish this goal the Ramona Forum will begin staging             demonstrations in             front of the Bank of America.              Bank of America is the             largest and oldest bank in town             and we want them to set a new standard for all our banks.  We want the Bank of America to publicly             announce a commitment to stop foreclosures on homes in             Ramona and negotiate             first.  And we want them to follow             through on that commitment.</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>We             hope that the citizens of Ramona will join us on the             sidewalk in a peaceful and             non-violent manner.  We will film testimonials of people             foreclosed on             recently or currently in foreclosure.  We will offer a             petition for bank             customers, demanding that the bank make negotiation the             priority in the             foreclosure process.  When the Bank             of             America announces their plan to make keeping homeowners in             their homes the #1             priority in Ramona, we will move the demonstrations to Chase,               Wells Fargo and so on.  “Stop foreclosures in             Ramona, Negotiate             first” is our demand.  Demonstrations             will be every Friday from 4 to 6PM in front of the Bank of             America. The first             demonstration is on Friday February 11.              If you are in foreclosure or know someone who is,             please             join us and help to make the demonstrations a success.             Contact us at             760-207-9139.  It’s             time for all of             Ramona to join hands to help save our town!</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Dave Patterson</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>The Ramona Forum</strong></strong></p>
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<p><strong><strong>More reading -</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/75-of-latest-bank-of-america-bailout-paid-merrill-lynch-bonuses-bac" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/75-of-latest-bank-of-america-bailout-paid-merrill-lynch-bonuses-bac</a></strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Most foreclosures lack standing, the bank never &#8220;produces             the note&#8221; to show they can legally foreclose &#8212; incl. BoA</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/whos-got-the-mortgage-pro_n_294169.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/whos-got-the-mortgage-pro_n_294169.html</a></strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong>Had enough of Wall Street banks in general? Local banking             alternatives abound&#8230;</strong></strong></p>
<p><strong><strong><a href="http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/" target="_blank">http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/</a></strong></strong></p></blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RECENTLY WHAT CONSERVATIVE ORDER PRESIDENT, MARTY JUDGE,  SAID IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IN MANY WAYS:</p>
<p>…(to) GAIN A BETTER UNDERSTANDING…BY HEARING BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT BE ABLE TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES…</p>
<p><strong>This is what Ramona Forum promotes — a better understanding by knowing both sides of an argument — KNOW AND then DECIDE,  yourself!</strong></p>
<p><strong>RAMONA FORUM IN THE NEWS, AGAIN!</strong></p>
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<p>Recently Ramona Forum is in the news.  [As if we were not!]</p>
<p><a href="http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/5252" target="_blank">http://ramona.patch.com/</a></p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Dave&#8217;s commentary </strong></span>was published in the Ramona Sentinel print edition and in their website (the first from the Forum) as well.  This is followed by a letter that was not published by the Sentinel, but the contents are appropriate in view of the tragedy in Arizona (though written just before the tragedy) and in our current national dialog.<!-- div { margin: 0px; } --></p>
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<p>With the ringing in of 2011, I have been  wondering what the future will bring given the lack of interest in what  our politicians have been doing for the last 30 years, and more  specifically the last decade.  Unconstrained deficit borrowing, wars  funded with tax cuts for the rich and bank deregulation starting with Ronald Reagan has us now borrowing almost 50 cents on every dollar that is spent.  Deregulation of the banks and housing industry have sunk the entire system deep into debt  that will be paid for on the backs of the working class.   The unions have been attacked by Republicans and abandoned by  Democrats, so that now the middle class built on union wages has been  almost eliminated.  Our Representation is now controlled by corporations  and the ultra-rich to the point that we the people have zero influence  on what they do in Washington.  So it&#8217;s time for us to try and imagine  what type of 3rd world country we want to live in.  I&#8217;ll go for the  basics.</p>
<p>I would like to see a 3rd world America where the primary  education of our children is at a minimum mediocre, being that only the  rich will soon have the means to pay for higher education.  That way  maybe our children will be able to have a chance at a job that pays  slightly above the poverty line.</p>
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<div>I would like to see a 3rd world America where good water and food are  not so costly that we the working class suffer water and food-borne  diseases  only occasionally.</div>
<div>I would like to see a 3rd world America where free  clinics for medical and dental care happen at least twice a year in  Ramona, for those of us that won&#8217;t be wealthy enough to pay for health  care.</div>
<div>I would like to see a 3rd world America where our government IDs  allow us to travel to another town without the necessity of a permission  slip from an official.</div>
<div>I would like to see a 3rd world America where  the people never realize that they have been sold out on all fronts by  those that claim to be good Americans, because people deserve to be  happy.</div>
<div>It&#8217;s time to look at the future of America, and dream for a  better 3rd world.</div>
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<p>The unpublished letter — <strong>Freedom and Responsibility</strong> by one of us.</p>
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<p>As the election, the Christmas and the New Year, and the passion that goes with those, are over may be we are willing to be more reflective with things of enduring nature.</p>
<p>The first amendment of the Constitution gives us the freedom of speech.  Responsibility is the unspoken part of it.  How about we also incorporate human decency and politeness in exercising our rights, as part of the unspoken responsibility.</p>
<p>The second amendment gives us the right to bear arms, forget about the ‘militia’ part now.  Does ‘bear’ means ‘possess’?  If it does, then the display (show off) of those arms in more visible public places makes sense, as they used to do in old Wild West.  Still, responsibility is the unspoken part of it, and consequences are part of the responsibility as well.</p>
<p>If we now consider ‘in order to forming a militia’, it would mean every citizen has that right to be part of that ‘militia’.  That statement did not characterize the qualities and kinds of citizens, yet the practice did, until two weeks ago—all citizens, irrespective of race, color, national origin, religion, and sexual orientation can now form that ‘militia’, a truly national militia.</p>
<p>“Freedom” is constitutionally guaranteed in many ways.  We have the “freedom” to choose what kind of food we would eat.  Here too responsibility is the unspoken part.  If we get sick by choosing (exercising our right) the wrong food, we ourselves are responsible, not the public.</p>
<p>“Freedom” in choosing food also includes choice of a company or a brand for source, modification of source, or of processing, it is constitutionally guaranteed.  Why then the companies, for their brands, are stealing or denying my right by hiding the source, modification of source, and processing information?  The company or the FDA says that the food is safe.  That is not enough.  What do they have to hide?</p>
<p>Should we not direct our anger or frustration about loosing our freedom only towards our government but also to corporate America that produce stuff for our consumption and hold the real power in our country?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;If we amplify everything, we hear nothing.&#8221;  —  Jon Stewart Progressives have not lost the 2010 election. Democrats did.  Of the progressives, who ran as ‘principled’ real Democrats, only two persons lost the 2010 election.  More than fifty percent of most of other Democrats, who sacrificed their own principle to look different, lost the election—probably [...]]]></description>
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<h3><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>Progressives have not lost the 2010 election.</strong></span></h3>
<h4>Democrats did.  Of the progressives, who ran as ‘principled’ real Democrats, only two persons lost the 2010 election.  More than fifty percent of most of other Democrats, who sacrificed their own principle to look different, lost the election—probably they did not have any principle, other than an urge to some-how-win an election.Since the election, there have been many a soul-searching discussions and commentaries on print, broadcast, Internet and other media.  We at Ramona Forum are no exception.  We are continuing our deliberations.  In the mean time, we have picked a number of good discussions.  We are reprinting two of them—one from Rabbi Lerner and the other from Ms. Helen Philpot—in the main body.  I believe you will enjoy the both.  We would like to have your comments through <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>our</strong></span> comment or <a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/contact/">contact us</a> links.  if you so permit, we will publish those for everybody&#8217;s benefit.  Later we will put them in separate pages, but linked.</h4>
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<p><strong>1. Don&#8217;t                           let the media frame this as a defeat of                           progressives</strong><strong>.</strong> Had Obama                         embraced and fought for a progressive agenda,                         even if he had passed none of it, he would have                         entered the 2010 elections as the champion of                         the huge idealism of the American                           people that was elicited in 2008 and                         which would have led the Democrats to an                         electoral sweep in 2010. Being seen as fighting                         for the needs of ordinary people &#8212; never                         letting anyone forget for a moment that he had                         inherited the mess that Republican and                         pro-corporate Democrats had created, positioning                         himself as the champion of those who resented                         the Wall                           Street and corporate interests &#8212; his                         popularity would have grown; he could have won a                         much bigger victory for the Democrats in 2010,                         and that would have allowed him to actually                         legislate the policies of a progressive vision.</p>
<div>Had Obama                           refused to give more money to the banks and                           Wall Street unless equal or greater amounts                           were allocated for a visionary New Deal-style                           program for jobs and a freeze on mortgage                           foreclosures; had the Democrats refused to                           fund the escalation of war in Afghanistan; had                           they advocated for &#8220;Medicare for Everyone&#8221;                           instead of passing a plan that forced 30                           million people to buy health care, but puts no                           serious restraints on the costs that insurance                           companies or pharmaceutical can charge; had                           Obama fought courageously for a carbon tax and                           ended the bargain taxes for the wealthy; had                           the Democrats insisted on stopping the                           harassment of immigrants; had the Obama                           Administration called for a national effort to                           overturn <em>Citizens                               United</em>, such as the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&amp;c=ec7JzPMQuo9ryIYunC5Su3Fl8qfTDK8p" target="_blank">ESRA</a> &#8212; Environmental                           and Social Responsibility Amendment to the                           U.S. Constitution&#8211;this election result would                           have been 100% different.</div>
<div>Had Obama                           set up public forums at which his supporters                           could give him public feedback and used the                           web creatively to allow his supporters to                           weigh in, and had Obama consistently spoken                           honestly to Americans about the constraints he                           was facing and who was putting pressure on him                           to do what &#8212; there would have been no                           electoral defeat. It wasn&#8217;t the progressive                           agenda that got defeated, it was the                           corporate-military accommodation of the                           Democrats and Obama who couldn&#8217;t address                           popular outrage, not only at the economic                           problem, but at the way we had been                           manipulated in 2008; and the humiliation many                           felt at having allowed themselves to hope that                           someone in politics would fight for what they                           said they would fight for.</div>
<div><strong>2.                             Challenge the elitism in the Left.</strong> Whenever you hear                           someone saying that it is the stupidity or                           reactionary nature of Americans that led to                           this defeat, remind them of why, absent any                           other voice that they would encounter                           expressing their outrage, it was rational for                           Americans to be attracted to the right-wing                           voices that were expressing that outrage                           (albeit with programs that will actually make                           things worse). When Americans thought they had                           a chance at progressive change, they voted for                           it in 2008 &#8212; so they are neither stupid nor                           reactionary.</div>
<div><strong>3.                             Challenge the religo-phobia in the Left.</strong> As long as the                           progressive world seems to be aligned with                           those who think that anyone who believes in                           God must be either stupid or at a lower stage                           of psychological development, we will get                           nowhere with an American public sincerely                           committed to a spiritual worldview. Allow                           yourself to explore the various spiritual                           progressive communities and movements that                           currently exist.</div>
<div><strong>4.                             Do not demean those who disagree with us.</strong><strong> </strong>Act                            as though every person, no matter what their                           politics, is created in the image of God or                           deserves fundamental respect, and only                           challenge their ideas and policies, but                           without attributing bad motives to them. And                           do not demean your own leaders &#8212; stop the                           back-biting and competition that so often                           drives the most creative thinkers and                           activists out of the movement! Make the                           progressive world focus more on taking care of                           each other in its meetings and public events.</div>
<div><strong>5.                             Take time every day to rejoice in the                             grandeur and awesome mystery of the univers</strong><strong>e</strong> &#8212; and remember that the world is filled with                           loving people who would be there with us if                           they knew that we took love as seriously as we                           take critique. And try the ancient idea of a                           Sabbath&#8211;one day each week totally dedicated                           to celebrating the universe rather than acting                           upon it to change it (in my Jewish practice of                           the Sabbath&#8211;in Hebrew: Shabbat&#8211;                             this includes: no work or thinking about work;                           no computer, no use of phones or cell phones                           or other technology; no shopping; no catching                           up on errands or housework or anything else                           you &#8220;have to do&#8221;&#8211;just 100% dedicated to fun,                           pleasure, thanksgiving, celebration of nature,                           and joy, nothiing else let in. Who has the                           time? Well, I do, and I also use the other six                           days to run a magazine, be a rabbi of a                           synagogue, chair the Network of Spiritual                             Progressives, and write books. Try                           Shabbat&#8211;it will give you a different                           perspective on reality, and make a progressive                             movement that can begin to speak to                           what is good in the religious world that the                           Right understands and the Left pooh-poohs to                           its detriment.</div>
<div><strong>6.                             Build a unified political movement that                             calls for A New Bottom Line in American                             society</strong> so that instead of                           judging institutions, legislation or policies                           rational or productive only to the extent that                           they maximize money and power, they are judged                           by how much they maximize love and caring,                           kindness and generosity, ethical and                           ecological behavior and awareness, and the                           extent to which they tend to encourage us to                           be more caring toward each other and the earth                           and more able to respond to the universe with                           awe, wonder and radical amazement at the                           grandeur of being and consciousness and to                           experience true gratitude at being alive.</div>
<div><strong>7.                             Build within the Democratic                               Party an opposition to the                             corporate-oriented leaders of that party,                             from Steny                               Hoyer and Nancy Pelosi                             to Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumner</strong>. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Create a                             spiritual progressive caucus in every city.                             Run candidates in the primaries against that                             leadership &#8212; follow the example of the Tea                             Party in their effort to move the Republican                             party to the Right. </span></div>
<div>8<strong>.                             Build outside the Democratic Party a                             separate political party that talks about                             love, kindness, generosity, and The Caring                             Society &#8212; Caring for Each Other and Caring                             for the Earth. </strong>Let that party be                           based on the notion of A New Bottom Line as                           expressed in Commandment Six. Let this party                           talk explicitly about building a world that                           supports love and generosity! Stop speaking                           the language of the bureaucrats and the                           technical manipulators &#8212; start speaking the                           language of the heart. End the time in which                           Democrats believe that progressives have &#8220;no                           place to go&#8221; and hence will support their                           corporate-oriented candidates no matter how                           far they are from progressive ideals.</div>
<div>If the                           Greens are able to transform themselves to a                           party that puts love and caring and the                           language of the heart at the forefront of its                           public identification, rather than a primarily                           technocratic, issues-debating, hard-nosed                           &#8220;realistic&#8221; from the left,                           policy-but-not-love-generating social force,                           then it could be this. But at the moment it is                           not, and it may be easier to create something                           new than to reform the inner workings and                           political culture of the Greens,</div>
<div><strong>9.                             Create a United                               Progressive Fund </strong>so that all the                           different progressive organizations stop                           competing with each other for funding and                           instead allocate according to how many people belong                           to any given progressive organization.</div>
<div><strong>10.                             Don&#8217;t be realistic! </strong>The powers that be                           in the media, politics and economics define                           &#8220;realism.&#8221; The most important changes in our                           country have come about because people were                           willing to fight for what everyone supposedly                           knew to be &#8220;unrealistic&#8221; (e.g. ending                           segregation, ending ten thousand years of                           unchallenged male supremacy and sexism,                           legitimating gay and lesbian lives, building                           an environmental movement, and the list goes                           on).</div>
<div>Realism is                           idolatry &#8212; believing in God is believing that                           there is some Force in the Universe (some of                           us call it God) that makes possible the                           transformation from &#8220;that which is&#8221; to &#8220;that                           which could and should be.&#8221; Support a Global                           Marshall Plan to once and for all end global                           poverty, hunger, homelessness, insufficient                           education or health care &#8212; and pay for it                           through a Tobin tax on all international                           financial transactions of over $1 million. End                           the domination of money in politics and                           challenge the irresponsible environmental                           policies of corporations &#8212; through the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&amp;c=qMa0%2F7NmXCCXKRSl79HPynFl8qfTDK8p" target="_blank">ESRA                             &#8212; the Environmental and Social                             Responsibility Amendment to the U.S.                             Constitution</a>.</div>
<div>Follow these ten commandments and the progressive forces                           will finally be able to reshape this country                           before it is too late. If you wish to help us                           do this, please join and help create a local                           chapter of the Network of Spiritual                           Progressives <a rel="nofollow" href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&amp;c=Nk5aCFmVwZcirweF99%2FTr3Fl8qfTDK8p" target="_blank">here</a>. But if you like                           these ideas but don&#8217;t want to work inside our                           organization, then <a rel="nofollow" href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&amp;c=hrNWW3r1J7j4hbDiC78FLXFl8qfTDK8p" target="_blank">bring                               these ideas</a> into whatever                           organization you are already part of and                           insist that they debate these ideas, align                           with us in our campaign for the ESRA and for                           our proposed <a rel="nofollow" href="http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&amp;c=MN%2BaXoe6sJFCLvs3huVzB3Fl8qfTDK8p" target="_blank">Global                               Marshall Plan</a>, and insist that                           they develop the kind of broad strategy we are                           presenting here.</div>
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<div><strong><a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/author/margaretandhelen/">Helen        Philpot</a></strong> | November 10, 2010 at 8:06 AM | Tags: <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/chris-coons/">Chris        Coons</a>, <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/christine-odonnell/">Christine        O&#8217;Donnell</a>, <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/john-boehner/">John        Boehner</a>, <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/michele-bachmann/">Michele        Bachmann</a>, <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/president-barack-obama/">President        Barack Obama</a>, <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/rick-perry/">Rick        Perry</a>, <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/sarah-palin/">Sarah        Palin</a>, <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/tag/sharron-angle/">Sharron        Angle</a> | Categories: <a href="http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/">Uncategorized</a> | URL: <a href="http://wp.me/p5xSC-LJ">http://wp.me/p5xSC-LJ</a></div>
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<p>Margaret, you tell Howard that I&#8217;ll close up shop when he stops watching  FOX.  I may be old, but I am not dead and this sure as hell isn&#8217;t my  first time to the rodeo.  My voice just got louder and my fat ass isn&#8217;t  going anywhere until Jesus calls me home.</p>
<p>The thing about politics, Margaret, is that these days there really is no  middle ground.  Not a single candidate won their seat with a mandate.   Show me a candidate who took 100% of the votes and I&#8217;ll show you a candidate  with a mandate.  For example, even Mr. Coons up there in Delaware  represents 40% of voters who preferred a witch.  And Governor Perry down  here in my state is still the Governor for over 2 million Texans who voted for  the other guy.  Which one do you think  is looking for  middle ground today?</p>
<p>Senator Coons told people,  &#8221;I&#8217;m honored and humbled by the confidence  expressed by the voters of Delaware today, but now the hard work begins. I&#8217;ve  said all along that this campaign is about Delaware&#8217;s families and the  challenges they face.&#8221;</p>
<p>About that same time Perry was telling reporters, ﻿&#8221;<em>When the outcomes of  this election are certified, we will see a substantial conservative presence in  both the Texas House and Senate.  We are one day closer to seeing the  changes we want in Washington.&#8221;</em> ﻿ He then set out to do the hard work  Texans elected him to do&#8230; sell his book.  By the way, in his book he  writes, <em>“If you don’t support the death penalty and citizens packing a  pistol, don’t come to Texas.  If you don’t like medicinal marijuana and gay  marriage, don’t move to California.”</em></p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s bringing the country together &#8230;</p>
<p>For there to be common ground, both sides have to be looking for it.   Kind of hard when the new Republican leader John Boehner has declared  that Republicans will not compromise.  Funny.  They&#8217;ve been  compromising on their principles about smaller government for years.   Why change now when compromise is exactly what we need?</p>
<p>Sometimes I just scratch my head and wonder how much better life would be if  Americans still had to turn a page in a newspaper rather than  flip a channel on the boob tube to get the news.   But such is  life.  You live and you learn.  And at my age you learn too   much.  For instance, I have learned that when Democrats over-reach, we end  up providing health insurance coverage for children who have pre-existing  conditions.  When Republicans over-reach, we go to war.</p>
<p>When a liberal activist judge over-reaches, a disenfranchised group of  Americans have their constitutional rights restored.  When a  conservative activist judge over-reaches, the country&#8217;s elections get  handed to corporations on a silver platter.</p>
<p>Sour grapes?  Maybe.  I never said I was without prejudice.   In fact, I have openly admitted to being a bitch.  But the difference  between my being a bitch and Sarah Palin being a bitch is  huge.  When I am a bitch,  a few people get a good laugh over an  old lady&#8217;s blog writing.  When Sarah Palin is a bitch, some of God&#8217;s most  beautiful handiwork gets reduced to a line item on Exxon&#8217;s annual  report.</p>
<p>I have lived all my life speaking my mind.   And I don&#8217;t intend to  stop now.   You want to know what I really think?  I think Fox  News has no problem telling lies.   And I think a whole lot of white  people don&#8217;t like having a black President.  And I think gay people scare  straight people.  And religious people forget the basic teachings handed  down by the founders of their religion.  At the crossroads of every major  religion, you&#8217;ll find the Golden Rule.   Too bad they&#8217;ve deleted it  from their GPS.</p>
<p>Do you really expect me to believe that a bunch of Republicans were swept  into office because Democrats covered pre-existing conditions for  children?  Or because Health Insurance Companies can&#8217;t drop you when  you are no longer profitable?  Or that Cap and Trade is killing our  country?  Please.  I bet you can&#8217;t find 10 Tea Party voters who can  even tell you what Cap and Trade is.  I know for damn sure that bitch from  Alaska can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Michele Bachmann is a lunatic who wants Democrats investigated.   Sarah Palin quit her job as Governor so she could get rich.    Sharron Angle told a bunch of hispanic students that they looked a little  Asian &#8211; as if the Asians got together with the Hispanics to create a bigger  voting block ???  I mean what the hell was that all about  anyway?</p>
<p>Wake up America.  John Boehner is orange for goodness sakes.   Orange people don&#8217;t have to be asked because you can tell just by looking at  them.   Where is Michele Bachmann&#8217;s investigation on orange  people?</p>
<p>And this lot is better than Obama?  I&#8217;m not buying it.</p>
<p>Ten percent of the vote came out of a nation frustrated by  unemployment.  The other 90% remains divided.  As soon as the jobs  return we&#8217;ll be back to dealing with the hard problems:  Racism.   Sexism.  Ageism.  Religious fanaticism.   Ignorance&#8230;ism.   And Sarah Palin.</p>
<p>Two years ago, the pundits predicted that the Republican party had become a  regional party reduced to the southern states.  Clearly they were  wrong. Why?  Because hate has no boundaries and Sarah Palin found  a flight out of Wasilla.</p>
<p>Today the pundits are saying that Democrats are out of touch with the  main stream.  Guess what?  So were abolitionists.   Pundits  come and pundits go.  I&#8217;ve been around for more than 80 years.  Deal  with it.</p>
<p>For everyone who is currently considering removing their Obama sticker  from the back of their car&#8230; for every Democrat who made the effort to get  out the vote and today is feeling a little down&#8230; for every progressive  American who is thinking about moving to Canada&#8230;. I say this:</p>
<p>Christine O&#8217;Donnell might not have been a witch, but Sarah Palin is  definitely a bitch.   Three steps forward.  One step back.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re still two steps ahead of the game with a Senate and a White  House.  Washington will be grid-locked for the next two  years, but the ground war just came to the States.  Democrats need  to stop looking for middle ground and start looking for higher  ground.  And for goodness sakes, grow a pair and quit apologizing for  it.</p>
<p>As I see it, the Democrats have one job between now and the next  election -   figuring out how to get those who stayed home mad enough  to get off their asses.    Democracy isn&#8217;t a spectator  sport.  I mean it.  Really.</p>
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		<title>October 2010</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A number of things have already happened and some more are happening in October.  We had a large gathering at Peace Garden on October 2, Pastor Steve Islander made a presentation on Liberation Theology on October 6, and we had a very informative discussion session on our current economic affairs on October 13. This month [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of things have already happened and some more are happening in October.  We had a large gathering at Peace Garden on October 2, Pastor Steve Islander made a presentation on Liberation Theology on October 6, and we had a very informative discussion session on our current economic affairs on October 13.</p>
<p>This month we will demonstrate against the &#8216;campaign of fear&#8217; launched by certain groups within the Country.  The demonstration takes place every Friday at Rt. 67 and Mussey Grade Road in Ramona starting at 4 PM.   As part of our campaign against the &#8216;campaign of fear&#8217;, we have created a poster.   First, we want you to take a look at this poster.  We have received a number of  e-mails, many from strangers to the Forum, expressing their appreciation of the poster.  Here it is.  If any one of you would like to have a copy, please let us know.  Come join us.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Afraid-Poster.jpg"></a><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Afraid-Poster.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-886" title="Afraid Poster" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Afraid-Poster-241x300.jpg" alt="" width="241" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>Here is a link to another<a href=" http://www.divshare.com/download/12716046-466."> site</a>.</p>
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		<title>SEPTEMBER 2010</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Under the auspices of Ramona Forum a number of events are coming up: A congressional candidate forum on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 6 PM.  The event will take place at the Sizzler Restaurant in Ramona, in which three of the four candidates of the 52nd Congressional district are going to participate.  As per Ramona [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under the auspices of Ramona Forum a number of events are coming up:</p>
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<li><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">A <span style="color: #ff0000;">congressional candidate forum</span> on <span style="color: #ff0000;">Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 6 PM</span>.  The event will take place at the <span style="color: #ff0000;">Sizzler Restauran</span>t in Ramona, in which three of the four candidates of the 52<sup>nd</sup></span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Congressional district are going to participate.  As per Ramona Forum’s mission, the event is to let the Ramonans find out where the candidates stand on issues confronting the community and the Nation.</span></li>
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<p>A report of this successful meeting is posted at the end of these announcements.</p>
<p>Next programs:</p>
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<li>Ramona Forum Lecture series: The topic is<span style="color: #ff0000;"> Liberation Theology</span>.   The speaker is local Theologian and Pastor, Rev. Steve Islander.  He  will talk on what Liberation Theology is, what it isn&#8217;t, which is  currently being framed by some in the media as a counter-productive,  anti-American system.  This is an opportunity for the Ramonans to hear  from an expert on the subject.  The Lecture will be at the <span style="color: #ff0000;">Ramona Library conference room</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">Wednesday October 6, 2010, 6 PM</span>.  Contact Dave Patterson for more information, 760-207-9139.</li>
<li>Ramona Forum second Wednesday Special Event: On <span style="color: #ff0000;">Wednesday October 13, 2010</span>, the Forum will present array of videos as <span style="color: #ff0000;">informational on economic affairs </span>of  the nation, followed by audience discussion lead by Forum experts.  The  information presented are in depth and not often presented in  mainstream media.</li>
<li>Gathering at the <span style="color: #ff0000;">Peace Garden site on October 2, 2010 at 4 PM</span>.  (Please note that this time is a change from previous one)  Garden planning for the coming season will be the focus, combined with a  general meeting.  And we have not socialized for a while!</li>
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<p>We are also planning few demonstrations at Rt. 67 and Mussy Grade Road.  Details will be forthcoming.</p>
<p>Here is the <span style="color: #ff6600;">chronology of events</span> again:</p>
<p>September 22: candidate forum</p>
<p>September 29: No regular meeting</p>
<p>October 2: Peace Garden gathering</p>
<p>October 6:  Lecture on Liberation Theology</p>
<p>October 13: Economic affairs informational</p>
<p>October 20: Regular Wednesday meeting</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000;">REPORT ON CANDIDATE FORUM</span></strong>: On Wednesday September 22, 2010, we hosted a very successful Candidates Forum for the 52 congressional District.  Two of the three candidates, Michael Benoit (Libertarian) and Ray Lutz (Democrat) were present.  Unfortunately, Representative Duncan did not attend, which seemed to be consistent with his pattern of dictating terms of engagement.<br />
<a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Benoit-speaking1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-821" title="Benoit speaking" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Benoit-speaking1-300x224.jpg" alt="Benoit speaking" width="300" height="224" /></a><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Lutz-speaking1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-822" title="Lutz speaking" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Lutz-speaking1-300x224.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="224" /></a>After a brief introduction by each of the candidates, they answered questions from the audience, both of them showing more than adequate knowledge of the subjects they were dealing with.<br />
Their relationship was always cordial and provided an educational environment for the audience.</p>
<p>Mike Benoit gave responses that were always consistent with his Libertarian philosophy, attacking any intrusion by government into the private lives of citizens.</p>
<p>Ray Lutz on the other hand exhibited a more pragmatic approach, and, while defending his full support for Capitalism, recognized the dangers of a <em>laissez faire</em> approach, and the need for government intervention.<br />
On social issues, there was very little disagreement.</p>
<p>This audience was denied the opportunity of knowing where Duncan Hunter stood on issues of their concerns.  We will not know whether his often-expressed views on audience concerns reflect lack of experience as was alleged, or whether those are his own or repetition of his father’s views.</p>
<p><strong>ADDENDUM TO THE REPORT</strong>: We are known to be partial to members of Forum family!  Our <strong>Rose</strong> sent her assessment of the meeting, but I cannot resist publishing the entire e-mail!  Here it is:</p>
<p>Thank  you for organizing the debate / discussion with Ray Lutz and Michael  Benoit.  It was very well attended and provided and excellent environment  for serious discussion.  Too bad Duncan couldn&#8217;t be there.   I was  also disappointed that there was not a single reporter for any media  outlet.  I tried to take notes to submit to PATCH, which is an online blog  currently being developed by AOL.com News to cover local events; my notes were  minimal at best.   Susan estimated 48 people in attendance; does that  seem like an accurate estimate?  I will submit with  my notes.    I am  not an active letter writer, but I drafted the following ideas.  If anyone  would like to take the idea &amp;  submit, be my guest!  We could call it  &#8220;An Open Letter to Duncan&#8221;.    &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-Thanks to the Ramona Sizzler, we were provided with a forum for  discussion and debate of the concerns of the constituents of the 52<sup>nd</sup> Congressional District.  Thank you,  Ray Lutz and Michael Benoit for attending and thoughtfully discussing the  issues, allowing voters to have a better understanding of their views. It is  very helpful to hear the views of the candidates of the goals each would pursue  if elected.<br />
We missed Duncan Hunter Jr.  It would have been helpful to hear his  response to the questions also, as he is currently our Representative.  And we missed the presence of a reporter  or media representative that could have provided coverage of the event to those  that were not able to attend.<br />
The questions came from the attendees and were not pre-screened to fit  the agenda of any one candidate.  Both candidates had equal time to  respond. The question I found most interesting was concerning how is it that  candidates make promises to be “different” from life-time professional  politicians and promise to not be influenced by Washington Lobbyists – what  would each of the candidates do differently in order to be able to adhere to  that promise?<br />
Ray Lutz had an interesting idea of using the new telecommunication  technology to stay physically present in the district of representation, while  attending all of the meetings in the Capital to vote and discuss the issues by  telecommuting.  He could then be  present and listen to the needs of the community that vote him in rather that in  closed-door sessions with powerful lobbyists.<br />
That brought up another question in my mind for Representative  Hunter.  Could you please give us an  accounting of the time for which we pay you?  Specifically, how much time do you spend  with lobbyists?<br />
I hope you will answer this question completely, and look forward to your  presence at another planned discussion forum.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[SECOND WEDNESDAY SPECIAL EVENTS ANNOUNCEMENT On Wednesday, July 14th at 6:00 pm at the Ramona library, the Ramona Forum will present two video&#8217;s on the events that led to the country&#8217;s financial disaster and the urgent need for Financial Reform. The first video will highlight  Professor Black of Michigan University  and the second  Felix Salmon [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>On Wednesday, July 14th at 6:00 pm at the Ramona library, the Ramona Forum will present two video&#8217;s on the events that led to the country&#8217;s financial disaster and the urgent need for Financial Reform. <span id="more-802"></span>The first video will highlight  Professor Black of Michigan University  and the second  Felix Salmon of Reuters.<br />
The video&#8217;s will be followed by an informal discussion led by Ramona&#8217;s resident author Ralph Cates and the Forum&#8217;s economic expert Ron Zambreno in which the audience are invited to participate.<br />
All are welcome and admission is free. </strong></p>
<p>This announcement has also been published in Our Town section of Ramona Sentinel</p>
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		<title>May 2010: Update</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since we updated the Forum website in January 2010 there have been a  number of projects in progress.  It was a difficult decision to report as these projects evolved or to wait until some approaches completion or near completion.  When it is difficult to decide or when there is indecision, Time wins!  And the Spring [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we updated the Forum website in January 2010 there have been a  number of projects in progress.  It was a difficult decision to report as these projects evolved or to wait until some approaches completion or near completion.  When it is difficult to decide or when there is indecision, Time wins!  And the <a title="Spring 2010" href="//www.ramonaforum.org/slide-show/slide-show-1/ ">Spring</a> stepped in. <a rel="attachment wp-att-787" href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/2010/05/may-2010-update/p1030507-3/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-787" title="P1030507" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/P10305072.jpg" alt="P1030507" /></a></p>
<p>So much for a preamble!</p>
<p>What has been happening with Ramona Forum?  With inauguration of President Obama in January 2009, there was a general feeling of accomplishment among Forum members.  There was a lull in public visibility and activity.  We plunged into gardening as part of our general philosophy about sustainability.  We did a report on PEACE GARDEN in October 2009 followed by a short winter progress report in January 2010.  We did limited Sunday demonstration.  Letter writing was a major project.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">OUR LETTER WRITING EFFORTS</span>:</strong></p>
<p>We plunged into a deliberate attempt to influence public opinion through letter writing.  As Ramonans, we concentrated our effort on the pages of Ramona Sentinel, and occasionally on the pages of North County Times.</p>
<p>The issues that attracted our members are</p>
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<li>healthcare reform,</li>
<li>continuing war in Afghanistan,</li>
<li>Tea Party groups’ rightist ideological stands,</li>
<li>immigration reform</li>
<li>civility in political dialog:</li>
<li>barter system</li>
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<p>Here is a list of letters/commentaries that were published:</p>
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<p align="center">11/19/2009</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“We change course or America Sinks”</td>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Is this what Founding Fathers envisioned”</td>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Drilling for an Answer”</td>
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<p align="center">1/21/2010</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Questions Chambers Choice of Guests”</td>
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<p align="center">2/11/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Susan Zambrano</p>
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<p align="center">2/18/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Ron Zambrano</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Reader Calls for Real Public Debate”</td>
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<p align="center">3/11/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Selkovitch</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Letter Writers are not alone in Ramona”</td>
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<p align="center">3/18/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Duttaahmed</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top"><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/postings-members-essays/">“Avoid Hyperbole”</a></td>
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<p align="center">4/1/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Susan Zambrano</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Tea Party Suggestion”</td>
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<p align="center">4/15/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Ron Zambrano</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“<a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/postings-members-essays/">Respect Each Other in Legitimate Debate</a>”</td>
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<p align="center">4/15/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Duttaahmed</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Let’s find Solutions”</td>
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<p align="center">Selkovitch</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top"><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/postings-members-essays/">“Tea Party Questions”</a></td>
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<p align="center">Patterson</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top"><a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/postings-members-essays/">“Real Fix Needed for Real Problem”</a></td>
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<p align="center">5/6/2010</p>
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<p align="center">Bisbikis</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“I Read the News Today”</td>
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<p align="center">5/6/2010</p>
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<td width="262" valign="top">“Republicans Have a Plan”</td>
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<p>Dave&#8217;s letter to <a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/opinion/letters/article_c4406c5b-57b0-5b9f-be96-dea518abaddb.html">North County Times</a> dealt with use of troops within USA.  In support of our causes, notable letters from other than forum members were from James McNamara and J. Garcia.  Our heartfelt thanks to them.</p>
<p>In our limited demonstrations on Sundays, some of us wanted to challenge the values of the fellow Ramonans with posters like:</p>
<ul>
<li>Did you have enough of war?</li>
<li>Greed is evil,<br />
organized corporate greed is anti-national</li>
<li>How much profit is good profit?</li>
<li>Because the healthcare reform costs<br />
do we let the uninsured die without treatment</li>
<li>War will not make us safe<br />
Middle East Peace might</li>
</ul>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>DAVE&#8217;S COUP on DUNCAN HUNTER Jr.</strong></span></p>
<p>Our president, Dave Patterson, recently staged a sort of coup on Duncan Hunter Jr.   In a Tea Party meeting in Ramona, he asked Representative Hunter Jr. whether the natural born (in USA) children of (one or more) parents of illegal immigrants are entitled to US citizenship.  The obvious reference was to the Amendment #14.  The answer (in the link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX11mTOY2XM">watch and listen</a> from 2 min on)  from Hunter Jr. was “NO”, which he later tried to explain by saying that he wanted to change the Constitution to deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants.  One of us wrote a <a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/special-commentaryeditorial/">long commentary</a>, which we are posting under &#8216;Special Commentary/Editorial&#8217; on our &#8216;Pages&#8217; section of our website.  Listen to Dave Patterson’s original video posted on You Tube, which was later picked by the Turkey Democrats.  There were almost 100, 000 total ‘hits’.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">PEACE GARDEN</span></strong></p>
<p>We devoted a lot of our energy in making the Peace Garden a success.  With the knowledge and experience we gained last year, we planned a better garden for this year.   A frame was built to protect vegetables from rabbits and squirrels. (January 2010 Report)  Inside the frame, we planted winter vegetables like spinach, lettuce, Swiss chard, peas, onions, garlic and similar vegetables.   Straw bale enclosure advocate was Rose.  <a rel="attachment wp-att-794" href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/2010/05/may-2010-update/peace-3/"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-794" title="Peace" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Peace2-300x224.jpg" alt="Peace" width="300" height="224" /></a></p>
<p>(Nancy by Rose&#8217;s straw bale garden, with potatoes, cilantro, lettuce and spinach)</p>
<p>We are now into the summer vegetables.  Tomatoes, beans, eggplants, and peppers, both sweet and hot ones, are in the plans.  Some are already in the ground.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Gathering by the Garden Side</span></strong></p>
<p>Forum members love to gather by the garden side. (<a title="May2010" href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/slide-show-2/ ">watch</a>)  Usually we meet , work, discuss—often animated!— different topics, listen to invited speakers, eat, drink, socialize <a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/slide-show/slide-show-3/">(watch)</a> and sing (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7n3_h8qyW8">watch and listen</a> to this parody!).  We  meet once a month, usually last Saturday of the month, by Garden side.</p>
<p>Meeting dates and times are circulated among Forum members through e-mail.  If you are not a Forum member, or just want to know about our activities,  please use our &#8216;contact us&#8217; form to become a member by letting us know about you and your e-mail.  There is no membership requirement other than your commitment to<a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/2008/09/program/ "> progressive causes.</a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>WEDNESDAYS — SPECIAL EVENTS AND REGULAR MEETINGS</strong></span></p>
<p>This year, as part of Our Second Wednesday Special Event Nights,  we showed two documentaries:</p>
<ul>
<li> Ceasar Chavez</li>
<li>Capitalism: A Love Story (by Michael Moore)</li>
</ul>
<p>We meet (most) Wednesdays for our regular meetings.  Besides organizational affairs, we have visitors to discuss issues or to listen to them.</p>
<p>Meeting dates and times are circulated among Forum members through e-mail.  Second Wednesday Special Events are also announced in &#8216;Our Town&#8217; section of Ramona Sentinel.   If you are not a Forum member, or just want to know about our activities,  please use our &#8216;contact us&#8217; form to become a member by letting us know about you and your e-mail.  There is no membership requirement other than your commitment to <a href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/2008/09/program/ ">progressive causes.</a></p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">FOR THOSE WHO MISSED THE FEATURE ON US (RAMONA FORUM, THAT IS!) IN NORTH COUNTY TIMES, HERE IS THE<a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/ramona/article_48d5b5a5-5836-58ab-959e-a08a0dcc6c18.html"> LINK</a></span></p>
<p>http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/ramona/article_48d5b5a5-5836-58ab-959e-a08a0dcc6c18.html</p>
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		<title>January 2010: Ramona Forum looks at 2010</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issues are still all there.  Progressives have their ‘work cut out’.  Only progressives can bring real change. Here are few issues: Thoughts of many—if not majority—of Americans and their support of issues defy concept of human rights, social justice and fairness to all, Americans and beyond.  Progressives, read ‘A look At The Year 2009’ [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issues are still all there.  Progressives have their ‘work cut out’.  Only progressives can bring real change.</p>
<p>Here are few issues:</p>
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<li>Thoughts of many—if not majority—of Americans and their support of issues defy concept of human rights, social justice and fairness to all, Americans and beyond.  Progressives, <em>read ‘A look At The Year 2009’ and join the dialog.</em></li>
<li>Health care reform bill has not been passed yet.</li>
<li>Financial Reform regulating Banking, Insurance, and other financial industries has been diluted to the point of no reform, at best reform on the fringes.  There is no bill yet.</li>
<li>Ambivalence of Americans on Energy issues still lingers.</li>
<li>Unemployment is high.  “Shovel ready” initiatives are still slow.  Small business loan is tangled up with financial reform quagmire.</li>
<li>Human Rights to <em>all</em> Americans are still denied.</li>
<li>More Americans support war in Afghanistan.</li>
<li>Powerful bankers, insurance companies, oil companies, and the like have formed unofficial cartels and are challenging the people’s wishes.</li>
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<p>The issues are as grim as it was in 2009 and during Bush era as well.</p>
<p>The Public Option is as elusive as ever, most likely it will not be in the final version.  The health insurance companies may still be out of reach of SEC.  Senate does not want Anti-trust Law provisions extended to the health insurance companies.  Senator Max Baucus took six months to try for Republican participation in Health reform, which eventually produced no Republican participation.  And the President, the majority leader, and the Democratic caucus looked on, but Baucus was not asked to stop trying even after six weeks!</p>
<p>Real Financial Reform regulating Banking, Insurance and other financial institutions has evaporated because all—okay, almost all— the members of the Congress are beneficiaries of these financial institutions.  When the bill will come out of the reconciliation, if the current trend continues, there could be reform only at the fringes, cosmetic that is.  The financial institutions will remain as big as ever.  The cliché will remain the same: they are too big to let them fail; otherwise they will bring the country down!  In the meantime, the banks are doing everything other than what they are supposed to do—LOANING money to small businesses and the public.  Homeowners were hoodwinked, in the first place, to take a loan they cannot pay (I am not absolving the homeowners of there responsibility, but it is much more than that) and then they are not being helped with a reasonable way out. <strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>There is enough reason to start a Public (Federal) Bank network.  And a Public Health Insurance company network. </strong></p>
<p>Energy situation still remain the same.  We, the drivers, conserve only marginally—we do not slow down, we do not do planned, consolidated driving, and we are still after bigger cars and trucks! Progressives, <em>read ‘A look At The Year 2009’ and join the dialog. </em></p>
<p>Human rights to Homosexuals and other groups are still denied.  Imposition of one’s values over others is still acceptable.</p>
<p>War will not keep us safe.  Peace in Middle East <em>might</em> take the lifeblood out of the Jihadi movement and terrorist activities, and create a favorable attitude towards America and Americans, which <em>might</em> make us safer.</p>
<p>Our expectation from President Obama is real change, not on the fringes.</p>
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		<title>Ramona Forum since October 2009 Update</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since last October,  Ramona Forum has been very active in Peace Garden ( last full report: July 2009). We made great progress in this area. Health care reform issue has frustrated most of us. Yet, we maintained our demonstration in favor of Public Option with few regulars and occasional others. We were active in opposing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since last October,  Ramona Forum has been very active in Peace Garden ( last full report: July 2009).  We made great progress in this area. <a rel="attachment wp-att-668" href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/2010/01/ramona-forum-since-october-2009-update/the-enclosure/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-668" title="The enclosure" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/The-enclosure.jpg" alt="The enclosure" /></a><a rel="attachment wp-att-669" href="http://www.ramonaforum.org/2010/01/ramona-forum-since-october-2009-update/peace-sign-on-garden/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-669" title="Peace sign on Garden" src="http://www.ramonaforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Peace-sign-on-Garden.jpg" alt="Peace sign on Garden" /></a><br />
Health care reform issue has frustrated most of us. Yet, we maintained our demonstration in favor of Public Option with few regulars and occasional others. We were active in opposing all war. War is not keeping us safe. We have been working with other organizations in opposing Proposition 8. Now, we will have to wait for the outcome of the court proceedings.</p>
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